WAP and y’all hurt feelings.

So Cardi B and Meg the Stallion song came out today and social media was set ablaze. Per usual they had their share of negative commentary and it was over the most ridiculous and double standard things. Let me go ahead and address y’all hurt feelings.

The sexuality of women has been exploited by men for centuries. We’ve heard lyrics about our breast,our butt, our thighs,our mouths,and our vaginas(I’m working on my language)and the videos with the lyrics can be worse than the actual songs. Mind you,we be dancing,twerking,and singing/rapping all of those songs and not missing a beat. So I find it absolutely disturbing and disgusting that when women take those same lyrics and apply to themselves,it’s a problem. It’s crazy how even in music these men want to have rights over our bodies.

The amount of women who have a problem with this video and lyrics are also irritating. Since when is claiming your sexiness and your sexual power a problem? Is it because they said loudly what you already do privately? Is it that you find what they do to be repulsive? Or is it that you’re such a “pick me”type of woman that you’ll agree to what men say just for them to think you’re the supreme goddess of morality? Let’s be honest,most of us grew up on Salt N Peppa,Lil Kim,Foxy Brown,etc. LiL Kim was and still is one of my favorites. She let me know if was okay to be the freak that I was especially when so many of my friends around me were such sexual prudes at the time. Men have been profiting from making lyrics about women’s body but women can’t do the same without it being a problem? Y’all have got to get yourselves together!

I also find it amusing that people are tearing the lyrics down. The lyric,”I don’t cook,I don’t clean but I got that ring,” seems to be the line that has most of y’all stuck. It’s funny cause y’all don’t decipher male rappers lyrics that as intense as female rappers but I digress. Anyway…..it’s a rhyme y’all. I’m sure she does both but even if she doesn’t than 🤷🏾‍♀️. The truth is some of y’all internalize that line because that’s all you do and instead of addressing that with your man,you’d rather think less of a woman who has a man despite not doing the those things. I’ve seen comments that these women are making THOT behavior acceptable! LOL! THOT hood existed long before these 2 ladies and in fact was celebrated by men……who would then turn around and make those same woman wifey. Make it make sense, y’all. 🙄

At this point I’d rather you just admit that women celebrating their sexuality makes your uncomfortable. Just say,you prefer to have your body and sexual power controlled by men. Be honest with yourself and your insecurities instead of making these women feel like they’re the problem.

26 thoughts on “WAP and y’all hurt feelings.

  1. One of those didn’t belong w/ the others *hint Salt N Peppa*

    Not much to say to this, mostly just the by-the-numbers whataboutery that’s come to dominate sociopolitical discourse.

    Since we’re on that path, in an attempt to dispel the notion that men talking bout this subject has never been considered a problem: google “Tipper Gore vs Frank Zappa & the Filthy 15”, “C. Delores Tucker vs gangsta rap,” etc. Makes for a fun read, assuming that’s your thing.

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    1. I can only assume you know all Salt n Peppa songs because Push It darn sure wasn’t about doors! Never did I say it wasn’t a problem,what I acknowledged is that ppl didn’t have this same energy when it came to make rappers. These ladies embracing their sexual power is an issue to those who prefer to keep it behind door unless it’s led by a man.

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      1. Implying that SnP we’re no diff than Lil Kim is like saying Marvin Gaye was no diff than Mystikal. Personally got nothing against K.I.M. but miss me w/ that false equivalency BS. It really does come down to how you do it.
        That aside, didn’t say it wasn’t a problem, I was debunking the general notion ppl have that it wasn’t viewed as a problem when men did this, which you actually brought up in you’re preceding tweet. Towards that end, again, really helps to google “C. Delores Tucker vs gangsta porno rap”. Couldn’t help but notice you sidestepped that part of my comment entirely.

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      2. Quinn, the song Push It was a sexual song and it’s no other way to describe it. I’ll say it again,men have been sexualizing women’s bodies for years and while they may have been called out on it,it WAS NOT to the same degree as these ladies. In fact women who talk about sex publicly have been looked at in a bigger negative light than men. Women rapping about enjoying sex shouldn’t be a problem. If you didn’t have that same energy about men rapping about it than I need to you to remain mute when men do the same. I didn’t realize I sidestepped anything. I know all about Miss Tucker because I know about black culture. I’ll say it again male rappers HAVE NOT had to deal with as much flack as female rappers. The only ones who don’t see this are the ones who only listen to rap when it’s being negatively talked about,those who prefer women be mute and allow men to sexualize them,and those who egos are bruised.

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  2. And Gaye wasn’t talking about installing drapes. There’s a reason he’s beloved by a wide audience drawn from all walks of life & revered by music critics across a spectrum of genres while Mystikal, like so many rappers, became something of a living punchline & is sitting in a cell somewhere, waiting on his 2nd rap conviction. Again, it’s how u do it.
    You completely ignored my C Delores Tucker reference in your 1st response & have now acknowledged her existence without actually addressing her cause, which alongside Tipper Gore flies in the face of the general “Oh, so NOW it’s a problem” sentiment. Sounds like sidestepping 2 me.
    Frankly, I’m curious to know how exactly you went about quantifying the extent & degree to which women are criticized for these lyrics compared to males in order to determine there’s a unfair difference/double standard at play. I’m mostly hearing the same mix of arbitrary claims & counterfactual talking points that always seem to drive these conversations.

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    1. I didn’t bring Gaye into this conversation,you did. Also,women don’t need permission to talk about how they like sex. We don’t need permission to rap about it. We don’t need permission to use the same lyrics as men so. How did I and every other person come up with that conclusion? Ummmmm,I have been listening to rap as well as other genres of music my entire life. I didn’t just see this video and decide that I wanted to Google information to support my love for the lyrics or video. If you’ve been listening to rap your entire life and not just because you’re in your feelings about Cardi and Meg,than you’d know that male rappers have not gone thru as much criticism as female rappers who talk about the same thing. This isn’t rocket science. In facoe let’s take music out of it,women have been considered less than for how long? Women have been expected to be submissive to men in their professional and personal lives. Women have been considered 2nd class citizens for a while now. These are facts that can’t be denied unless you are misogynistic or living under a rock. Women have been made to horrible for wanted equality. We’ve been told that we’re supposed to be these moral humans meanwhile “boys will be boys”. It is just within these past few years that women are standing up and saying they aren’t taking men’s BS anymore and that’s what got ppls panties in a bunch. These 2 women embraced the titles and descriptions of what men have been rapping about for years and have decent to capitalize off of it. The issue isn’t really the video or the lyrics,the issue ppl have is their fragile ego. I’m so thankful for the men I surround myself with including my husband,who understands the double standards going on with this video and song. They understand that women love sex and pleasing their partners. They love WAP. They aren’t bothered by women sexually and verbally expressing what they like and want from men. As long as you’re alive you’re going to continue to hear these conversations outside of your comfort zone of peers because it’s 2020 not 1950.

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      1. Swing & a mess with the Gaye joke, as well as my point behind it.

        Are you actually speaking w/ me here? Alongside doubling-down on vague, counterfactual claims, you keep on making counterarguments to assertions I didn’t make at all. Also, I was gonna include “& goalpost-shifting” in my last post retracted it because I thought it’d be a bit too incendiary. But I think it’s perfectly appropriate to describe your line of reasoning & arguing.

        As for the idea that the universal response to men saying this kinda stuff & engaging in this type of behavior is invariably a resounding “boys will be boys”: Again, would’ve been really helpful to genuinely address the C Tucker/Tipper Gore social advocacy movements & attempts like them, which are largely aimed at males, that still go on today. Then there’s that aforementioned conviction.

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      2. If you’re responding to me than yes,I’m speaking to you. I find it interesting that you’re debating with someone you find to be unintelligent but at this point I’m sure it’s your need to stroke your ego that keeps you engaged. I addressed all of it,the problem you’re having is that I didn’t change my stance on the subject. I’ve stated my point several times which again is women who embrace their sexual power meets more criticism than the men who sexualize us. It doesn’t matter how you chose to word it or the use of the words you think I can’t understand,which actually proves some of my point,I’m not going to change my mind. All you have proved to me is you’d rather say you want sexual satisfaction than here a woman say she’s wants to give it to you.

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  3. Again w/ this. Where in my previous posts did I say or even imply that I thought u were “unintelligent.” Where r u getting this from? This is why question just how broadly you’re speaking when supposedly speaking w/ me. It’s like you’re talking past me & responding to arguments you’ve either heard somewhere else or just constructed in your head that I didn’t make in lieu of actually responding to the things I did say.

    Still wondering how through your observations you managed to acquire a precise measurement of the extent & degree of the criticism of directed at male & female artists to reach a conclusion whose received more than the other overall. Still, wondering bout C Delores Tucker & Tipper Gore. (Throw in Al while ur at it, Sharpton too.) Still wondering about all those concentrated legal, social & even political advocacies against males w/ similar material that continue till today.

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    1. Quinn,you’re very persistent but it won’t get you anywhere with me. I responded to everything you said,it’s just not the responses you wanted. As I said I’ve listened to rap music my entire life as a black woman so I definitely know what I’m talking about because it’s my culture. I love that you’re googling information to support your claim that women aren’t attacked more than men rappers. If you believe that men and women are treated equally than you shouldn’t have a problem with Cardi and Meg. If you think men and women aren’t treated equally than you would understand why women claiming their bodies would be an issue for men with little egos. You’re not going to change my mind and I’m not going to change yours. I’m not old school,I love women who know what they want,I love women who take control,I love women who embrace their sexual power. I love women who love being assertive. More than that I love the men who love these women. The culture of rap music and it’s double standards have always been a problem. It’s only new to those who limit their view of it.

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  4. You responded to a bunch of things that only you brought up: I never said anything about women needing “permission to talk about sex,” I never said anything about you being “unintelligent,” etc. Perhaps u simply don’t wanna go in on the C Delores Tucker & NCBW thing. Understandable, it’s a whole thing.

    I don’t to need to Google that stuff, i’m old enough to remember the fallout on my own. I offer googling as a suggestion to who anyone who decries how that it’s apparently only just now these lyrics have become a problem, as you did in that preceding tweet. Something of a lazy way of upsetting a lazy, false generalization.

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    1. I responded to everything you googled it just wasn’t the outcome you wanted. Perhaps if you knew the culture of rap music outside of WAP and the few artist you listed,than you wouldn’t be so inclined to assume I don’t already know about Miss. Tucker. You most definitely googled and that’s fine, because how else would you attempt to lecture me about a culture I grew up in? I never said male rappers didn’t deal with flack,I said they deal with as much criticism as female rappers. I also have to disagree with your latter statement about a lazy,false generalization because once again,i grew up in this rap culture. Once again,double standards have always existed in that culture but than again it’s always existed in life so really it’s nothing new. The difference now is women aren’t dealing with it anymore.

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  5. You’re a complete stranger to me and I can’t read your mind anymore than you can read mine. While I suspected that you might know, depending how old were, (again, complete stranger) I at least try not to be too presumptive in these conversations. Notice you keep name-dropping Ms Tucker but throughout this entire exchange haven’t said any bout her besides her name. But Tucker & NCBW, it’s a whole thing, I get it.

    I was working within the parameters of the suggestion that it’s only now after women have made these lyrics that it’s considered a problem, as per that tweet. The fact that you admit to knowing otherwise but said otherwise demonstrates were being disingenuous. I don’t think you’re unintelligent, but I do think you’re intellectually dishonest. And if I’m being honest, I’d have to agree w/ you. Hesitant I am to make those pesky subjective claims, but men haven’t received the same amount of flack, the same amount of energy for this kinda material overall. When you truly asses things, on a legal, social and political scale, they’ve received more.

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    1. You’re giving way to much energy to someone who isn’t going to change her mind. What would you like for me to say about Miss Tucker and her stance? Because clearly,I’m not giving your ego what it needs. You don’t get it and I suspect it’s because you don’t really know the culture of rap outside of the fee songs you took the time to know. I’m not dishonest because that’s not who I am and since you’re a stranger to me,I don’t care enough about your flawed opinion to be dishonest at any level. In rap culture,hell….in life women are criticized at a deeper and higher rate than men are. Women have to go twice as hard to be treated halfway equally as men but somehow you think that men are criticized more? The male ego is more fragile than I thought. Again,these ladies haven’t said a thing that men haven’t already asked for. Men:I want a woman to suck my…..,to swallow my…..to bend over and……
      Women:I want to suck that…….swallow that……and for you to bend me over hard.

      Y’all are literally mad at women wanting wanting to get sexed down! LoL!

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  6. So now you’re invoking rates, but still not specifying quantities or credible sources for such measurements. Ah, still don’t wanna address C Delores Tucker beyond her name. Unlike you, I’m not inclined to put words in your mouth, so I guess we’ll have to leave it at that.

    To sum it up, men have received much flack, if not more so, from across the board for releasing songs w/ lyrics about “wanting to get sexed down.” See above. Really not that much of a surprise that women experience similar criticism.

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    1. Quinn,I’ve been said that. It’s not a now thing. Look at the rap culture from the 80’s till now and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Look at the equality between women and men from fighting for the right to vote till now when fighting for pay. Again,this isn’t science,it’s real life issues. I’ve addressed Tucker and her stance so many times it’s just not what you want to hear. She hated the sexist views of rap music. She thought it was a bad influence in our community. She was against how it portrayed women,etc etc etc. I know who she is because she was a part of black rap culture. I know all about her stance as well as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, etc etc etc. I can respect their perspective and can agree with their views especially during that time period. Does that mean that female rappers don’t face more backlash than male rappers? Nope,it doesn’t. I also never said it was a surprise especially since women have ALWAYS been more critized especially for expressing sexual desires loudly. This is in all aspects of life. It’s not a secret. It’s an annoying reality.

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  7. While science & reality are not mutually exclusive, but that aside, rates have more to do with math than science. As said, if you’re going to invoke rates it’d be nice if you could back them up w/ tangible amounts rather than vague, arbitrary assertions.

    You didn’t detail C Delores Tucker & her stance in any way shape or fashion until just now. You just kept invoking her name and leaving it at that. And it wasn’t just the sexist views, she took issue with what she perceived to be pornographic lyrics, just like Tipper Gore & so many others. And again, that period & some of those people continue on today, even as folks have grown to become more tolerant of rap music. The vast majority of whom, mind you, didn’t go after female rappers nearly as fervently & severely they did as male rappers.

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    1. At this point you’re absolutely making no points and this is completely about your ego. I knew about her stance that’s why I kept repeating what I said in my last comment. The problem you’re also seem to have I’d living under a rock of you think for one moment that I’m about to show you stats about a subject that is well known. As I said Quinn this is about stroking your male ego. You have absolutely no idea about the rap culture unless it pertains to indulging in your ignorance. WAP isn’t even hour type of music,you just wanted another reason to complain. You’re attempting to question me as a black women who is part of the rap culture is truly ignorant. I always find it amazing when white ppl attempt to tell black ppl about their culture. I’m used to while males like you who think they are so much smarter than what they really are. Your ego isn’t new to me or anyone else looking at my comment section and that’s probably why I’m rolling my eyes at your predictable responses. I really wish y’all would give the black community something different. I’m checking myself at this point because I realize you’re representing the typical white conservative which means you’re already set in your ridiculous ways. Women have always been considered less than and have always been more critized than men,it’s only news to those who take part in the criticism of women. I’ll say it again,I thank God that the men I surround myself with and the ones who I know on social media understand the pangs of being a woman, especially a black woman. You can take your misogynistic attitude to those who embrace it because these are the only ones who will make you feel good for being ignorant.

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  8. You told me repeatedly that you knew about Miss Tucker. What you didn’t do is detail her stance in a way shape or fashion up until that very last post. The fact that you were aware of her and all those other social-political advocates and public figures whose criticism have largely been targeted at males but nevertheless started this whole thing off w/that tweet suggesting it was only until the moment that women do same as men in their lyrics that it becomes a problem goes back to the dishonesty.

    I figure you’re not prepared to show stats. The point is to illustrate how you’re saying things that while not completely untrue are not accurate or grounded objective fact. Speaking of which, it’s a miss w/ that white male conservative etc etc stuff. Bout as white male conservative as C Delores Tucker. I get that you’re a presumptive person, you’ve made that abundantly clear by now, but I honestly am surprised how quick ppl r to try & assume what someone else’s identity, especially these days.

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    1. I didn’t owe it to you to detail her stance but I did continuously. Again,I know black culture. I’ll say it again men do not face as much criticism as women do for saying the same things that men do. I don’t have to show stats for something that is a known issue. Dude you’re not winning this argument and that’s your problem. I don’t owe your ego a thing. Unless you’ve been loving under a rock my comments of equality is very much a public issue. I’m sorry but if it sounds like a duck than it’s usually a duck. If you’re not a white male than you seriously come off as one. I’ll tell you again to take your extremely ridiculous views to the audience that makes you feel good for being a jackass.

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  9. Some can easily mistake “sound” of a duck for a goose. Helps to be objective when making precise, informed observations. Hint: avoid basing things solely off of nondescript text & pure assumptions.

    Anyway, you just kept saying “I know all about Miss Tucker because I know about black culture” & leaving it at that, then when you *finally* actually got into her stance, you predictably misrepresented her as simply being against the sexist views & not also what she believed a problem of male rappers releasing songs believed to retain pornographic lyrical content, as did Tipper Gore, et al. And social movements like the ones they’ve lead have targeted male rappers more so than women, even though they’ve also obviously received much flack. All of which comes w/ the territory. As I said before, I agree that men haven’t faced the same amount of criticism, they’ve faced more.

    Still can’t help but wonder if C Delores Tucker translates to white male conservative. Didn’t owe it to me to describe her stance, but a sidestep is a sidestep, a false generalization is a false generalization, & I’m inclined to point it out.

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    1. It’s no mistake, Quinn. The only mistake made was you thinking you could tell me about rap culture or lack of equality between men and women. Your mistake was attempting to come at a black woman who has the experience and the knowledge that clearly you could care less about. Your mistake was thinking I would stroke your ego or make you feel good for you empty point of views. Your mistake was in thinking that you could bully me into thinking you were right. Your mistake was trying to tell me about Delores when in fact because I’m a black woman who is in rap culture,I already knew about her. Your misty,Quinn,is thinking that I was one of the women you dominate. Your arguments are invalid and in fact prove a lot of my points but because you’re riding high on your self righteousness,you can’t see all that. I don’t know what type of women allow you to walk around with such narcissist views without correcting you but I’m not the one to make you feel anything than the misogynistic,fragile ego having,self absorbed man who can’t see past his own selfishness to understand that he’s in the wrong. I know men like you,in fact I used to praise men like you until I realized men like you are the problem.
      You like to present to know something that you’ve Googled in order to sound superior when in fact you sound absolutely arrogant and ignorant. You wanted to test my knowledge directly because me clearly relating her words in context wasn’t good enough for you,you had to know that I knew exactly who she was. This debate isn’t real but your hurt ego clearly is the problem. You don’t have to believe that women aren’t criticized more or that inequalities exist because it doesn’t affect you and you surround yourself with ppl who agree with you. In all honesty,1000 women could tell you the same thing as I have and you’d still call them a liar for no other reason than you preferring to thrive in your narrative. I will thank you though, because your behaviors have definitely made me appreciate the men who completely understand the struggles of being a woman and even more so of being a black woman. I value the men who have praised women for embracing the sexual power and beauty. Clearly Cardi and Meg aren’t your cup of tea and that’s fine because that’s how you feel but as for me and my circle of men and women the problem isn’t theirs fix,it’s yours to get over.

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  10. Plenty of ppl, women & men alike, correct me when I’m wrong. And I take heed of their corrections. Such is life, hardly anything to write home about. As a far as corrections go again, I never never discounted the existence of inequalities. It’s simply that but when it comes to the matter of lyrics about “wanting to get sexed down”, men have received much flack, if not more so, from across the board, and it’s to be expected. People simply have a tendency to downplay or cast out all memory of such instances of criticism directed at males from their mind in order to platform the idea of something along the lines of ‘oh now it’s a problem?’ regarding women.

    And 1000 women, particularly those who work in the legal system, could tell you everything I’m saying, citing the same facts & I’m sure that… eh u see where that one’s going. Besides, the right or wrongness of something isn’t based solely on how many ppl hold the view, one way or the other. 1000 ppl can be wrong. But I don’t think your a liar, I just think your inaccurate. The mistake was suggesting it’s only “now” w/ women these lyrics become a problem when you’re well aware of the actions of ppl like Ms Tucker, then try to tell half the story. It’s quite dishonest.

    You know, if you pay fairly close attention, you may notice that my focus was on the inaccurate claims made in your comments. The over-generalizations, the obscurantism, etc. You might’ve notice I haven’t actually mentioned Meg or Cardi anywhere or given my personal OP on the song, social dynamics “between” men & women and so on and so forth.

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  11. Thank you very much for this very interesting and insightful post! I thoroughly enjoyed reading it! I have recently published an article on my blog about the song WAP and the discourse surrounding female rappers and songs about sexual activity. If you have time, it would be great if you could check out my post and let me know your thoughts! Thank you very much 🙂

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